Comments on: Breaking down the student loan “crisis” https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/ A Catalyst for Prosperity Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:15:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Michigan college students make more, but fewer are attending https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-41342 Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:15:19 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-41342 […] low for those who complete a bachelor’s degree at a four-year university, as he noted in a 2018 analysis. “Passing on a four-year school may in fact be the far riskier option,” he wrote at the […]

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By: Patrick Cooney https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15557 Tue, 27 Feb 2018 21:33:40 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15557 In reply to Don.

It’s a bit of both. Thomas Bailey, the director of the Community College Research Center, has done a lot of work on this issue (https://ccrc.tc.columbia.edu/Director.html). There’s no question that many of the students who enroll at community college are not college-ready, and end up getting stuck in remedial courses that they never end up passing, and drop-out. But research suggests that another major obstacle is the lack of coordination between community colleges and four-year colleges. Many transfer students find that many of their community college classes aren’t counted for credit at the four-year colleges they transfer to, resulting in wasted time and money that the student then needs to make up. This is true even in states with some form of articulation agreement between the two sectors.

In sum, however, completion rates for those students that do transfer aren’t terrible – roughly 60 percent of those that transfer end up earning a BA. The bigger problem is that about 25 percent of students actually end up transferring from a two-year to a four-year, despite the fact that the vast majority intend to at the outset.

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By: Don https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15551 Tue, 27 Feb 2018 06:01:48 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15551 In reply to Patrick Cooney.

Has any research been done about why students who attend a community college first with the intention of transferring to get a 4 year degree, are so likely to not to earn a bachelor’s? Is it because community colleges do a poor job preparing them? Or is it because students who are already less likely to complete a 4 year degree are also more likely to go to community college first?

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By: Patrick Cooney https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15512 Tue, 20 Feb 2018 15:36:31 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15512 In reply to don.

Hi Don – thanks for the comment. I imagine you’re right, that those who start at a community college, transfer to a four-year, and end up attaining a BA have low levels of default, as they probably have a low loan burden and are receiving a wage premium in the labor market. The problem, however, is that the vast majority of students who start at a community college never end up attaining a four-year degree. Research from the Community College Research Center at Columbia University has found that over 80 percent of students entering a community college have plans to transfer to a four-year and earn a bachelor’s degree, but only 16 percent of students actually have earned a bachelor’s degree six years later (https://ccrc.tc.columbia.edu/Community-College-FAQs.html).

Those students that do end up transferring, however, do end up graduating at relatively high rates, particularly those students who earn an AA first.

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By: Patrick Cooney https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15511 Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:46:44 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15511 In reply to Dean S Smith.

Hi Dean – thanks for the comment. You’re certainly right that more clarity is needed around the financial aid process. When we were working with high schools in Detroit, we tried to highlight those institutions that gave generous need-based aid (reducing the loans a student would have to take out), and draw a distinction for students between “good” loans (federal direct loans with low interest rates and a borrowing limit) and “bad” loans (on the private market or Parent PLUS loans with no borrowing limit).

And you’re certainly right that living at home can reduce the cost. However, a lot of research has shown that it also makes it less likely a student will end up graduating, as obstacles like transportation or pressures to help at home increase the time to degree.

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By: Dean S Smith https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15508 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:35:19 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15508 HI Lou. We’ve certainly have talked this topic for years and have done little of nothing in offering solutions or guidance to students wanting to go to college or post HS programs. How about posting the college costs on a chart for comparison to assist in making college choices and loan applications. Awhile back scholarship funding was available from a variety of organizations for some assistance, are these resources still available?

One point not mentioned is that living at home lightens the room and board expense leaving just the tuition to manage plus books and possibly transportation. We need a work sheet to help see the true picture . Dean

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By: don https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15488 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 03:43:19 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15488 You mentioned that a relatively high percent of community collage graduates who earn associates degrees also default. What about community college graduates who continue their education at a four year college to earn a bachelors? That option can save lot of. money and debt for a student.

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By: Don https://michiganfuture.org/2018/02/breaking-student-loan-crisis/#comment-15481 Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:41:48 +0000 https://michiganfuture.org/?p=9951#comment-15481 I It is not surprising to me at all that for profit schools have a much higher student default rate. I assume a few for profit schools do a good job, but the majority don’t. Their motivation is different
than it is for state, private not for profit and religious schools. The for profit schools are motivated to earn as much profit as possible for the owners. This can lead them to push inappropriate loans that will attract student who have no other way to finance college. These students are very likely to default.

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